(00:00:00) Here Comes congresswoman Patricia Schroeder now she's just walking out onto stage and following her Rick Carlson G Edward. Shoot George booty. I'm pretty sure that that is Roger Benjamin University of Minnesota. Vice president for academic Affairs will probably learn very shortly. Just exactly who that is. He stepping up to the microphone right now. Good afternoon. Welcome to another distinguished Carlson lecture presented by the Hubert H. Humphrey Institute of public affairs. I'm Roger Benjamin vice president for academic Affairs, and I'd like to welcome welcome everyone here in the audience and everyone listening on behalf of President Keller and the regents Dean Edwards shoe about whom I shall speak in a moment. We'll introduce our speaker congresswoman. Patricia Schroeder many were hoping that congresswoman Schroeder would run for president. If that is not to be in this campaign. There will be other campaigns. Of course one reason many here. Hope she would run is because she's one of ours is Sting a distinguished graduate in 1961 indeed. She probably indeed. She just told me she sat where you're sitting now. I do wish to note the obvious that is her presence as a national leader. She asks new structuring questions, which increasingly helped shape our public discourse. I wish also to make one additional point about her presence in what I'm going to call the great transition in this country between the Sexes. I know that she prefers to be known as an individual political figure who happens to be a woman but it's true now as it has been in the past that those who hold doctorates and professional degrees form the pool from which leadership and all walks of life come according to a recently published National Academy of Science Study white males accounted for 17,000 of a 34,000 PhD produced in 1973 and white females accounted for less than 5,000 last year though. The figures worth twelve thousand white males compared to 8,000 white females attaining the PHD out of 32,000 doctorates. At a conservative rate of change by the year 2000 white females will form the larger share of the pool for PhD production. My point is simple while there are many unresolved issues and adjustments to be made with respect to women in the workplace. A dramatic quiet Revolution to see change is underway. I hope congresswoman Schroeder does run for president and I know many in my daughter's generation will do so as well. Now. I would also like to introduce the new Dean of the Humphrey Institute. Dr. Edward shoe who has just joined us from his last post as director of the Department of Agriculture and rural development at the World Bank Ed is a very distinguished academic. He was here for a time. He's held many posts around the country around the world and we're lucky to have him I would also note I would also like to note the presence presence of Curtis Carlson for whom these lectures are named and we're lucky that he is with us today and we honor his presence. dink Dean shoe Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here today and it's a special pleasure and honor to introduce today's distinguished Carlson lecture. This lecture series brings National and international leaders to the university to speak on current topics of public interest. And as the Provost indicated it's made possible by a gift from courtesy Carlson founder and chair of Carlson companies before introducing our speaker there a couple little details that I'd like to take care of important details if you will. First I'd like to welcome the Humphrey Scholars who are in the audience. This is a group of selected high school students brought together by Urban concerns the second. We want to give special thanks to members of the Minnesota women's Consortium for their help in publicizing this lecture and bringing this large audience together. Finally. Let me note for those of you who are newcomers to this lecture series that there is a question period following the lecture. There are three by five cards being distributed to you in the audience make your question as brief as we as you can we will try to select from those submissions to get his wider range of topics as we possibly can. Patricia Schroeder Schroeder is an alumnus of this University from which she graduated magna cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa in June of this past year. She was given the University of Minnesota's outstanding Achievement Award the highest alumni award given by the university. She has a law degree from Harvard Law School and is a member of the Colorado bar. We will forgive her for that degree from Harvard. Can't win them all you know. Schroeder is the senior woman in Congress at this time and has emerged as the most prominent woman in u.s. Politics elected to congress in 1972. She was victorious in a campaign in which he opposed the Vietnam War and stressed by environmental issues. In her first year in the house. She won a seat on the powerful armed services committee becoming the first woman to serve on that committee. She has served in the house leadership as a democratic whip since 1978 and this year was appointed Deputy Whip for arms control legislation. She's also a member of the House Judiciary Committee and chairman of the subcommittee on civil service of the house post office and Civil Service committee there. She's leading a leading Advocate a civil service reform and whistle blower protection. She played a major role. She played a major role in the passage of the Voting Rights Act. The 1984 Civil Rights Act and is a primary sponsor of the equal white Rights Amendment. In the house select committee on children youth and families. She chairs the committee's economic security task force where she has championed work and family issues. She's also a co-chair of the Congressional caucus for women's issues. A bipartisan group of Representatives devoted to advancing women's legislation in Congress. Patricia Schroeder is the recipient of numerous honorary numerous, honorary degrees and Awards in 1986. She received the peace award from the committee for sane nuclear policy for her efforts to contribute to education communication and Outreach for peace and Justice. Our speaker is obviously a very talented person. The title of her address is quote election 88 are we Americans facing the issues? I've listened to her twice already this morning. You'll find that she's a very candid person both in what she says in her responses to questions. I'm sure you'll all enjoy every minute of her lecture Patricia. Thank you very much. (00:09:05) Thank you all so much. You are all about to have the world's shortest speech. I'm not sure what that meant when he walked off with my speech. But let me say how delighted I am to be back at the University of Minnesota and let me just put a plug in how much I love this University. It is terrific and I would have never had the hudspeth to have asked to be on the armed services committee. If it hadn't been for this University when now really they it was the only University I could find that I thought was going to treat me equally as I was a young girl in high school looking for a school to go to and I had gotten in at Radcliffe and I gotten in different places and I knew how to fly and I wanted to keep flying because at that time Amelia Earhart was my great dream, you know, I wanted Wings not things I was into. it's right and And and every place that had airplanes all the universities that had ROTC airplanes and I'm sorry the federal government says no, you can't fly them. You're a girl. You have an XY chromosome. I mean, I knew that and the University of Minnesota to it's great credit into the thing that I am going to Dear to them forever said well, the federal government says you can't fly airplanes. But if you reimburse us for gas and everything will just put in a chit. We think it's fair. So that's how I picked it out over all the other schools and believe me. It was a (00:10:33) terrific. It was a terrific (00:10:39) experience and I learned so much in my years here and I want to say to this great state. I have been trying to get my great state of Colorado to emulate the state for a long time the community giving and the sharing and what your leaders do to sustain this University to st. Sustain the Arts and Charities is just not duplicated in any other state in America and believe me. I know I've looked so it really does treat great things the way they should be treated. And I don't know how you got through the 80s still doing it. But thank goodness, Minnesota still here, and it's good to be here. So what do we say about election 88 boy, is that hard in a short period of time if I had to write the briefest memo to the 13 candidates, I would say, please stop taking yourself. So seriously and take the issues more (00:11:42) seriously. (00:11:49) As they are out palpitating and Pulpit earring around this country. I am quite amazed at the response that we get. Of course this week. We saw the great media politics. When the vice president was totally incensed that such an illegitimate question was being asked about his role as vice president. I guess they were supposed to ask what his prediction was for the score of the Army-Navy game. I don't know but heaven forbid you ask about that. And the house that went up we're almost as though he had been mugged by a whole gang of hoodlums. I mean you think what is this? When a former Senator is asked by someone from the media about his character he acts as though the lord's name has been taken in vain. I think you know who I mean. Another Senator was recently asked if his budget proposals didn't have a little bit of a republican tank to them my word. He went off like he had been targeted by the house on American activities. I think these cries of protest these howls of shock sounds more like tryouts for The Perils of Pauline than the presidency of the United States. And we're seeing the candidates as poor little Pauline out there running around trying to get the title to the White House. And the media is the villain in the black Coke trying to take the title away from Pauline for the White House. Now. It's no wonder these are not playing to standing-room-only crowds. We've seen it all before and the issue is how do we get them focused on what's really happening when you think of how many of the answers start out by I am shocked that you asked me that I am tired of your hounding me about my three conflicting opinions on Social Security. Or there's the other wonderful one than I love which is always that issue is totally irrelevant compared to the terrific problem. We have with deforestation of the rainforest duck and move. Now my first proposal that I think we ought to take if they don't change this fairly soon. As I think the first thing we ought to do is allow each of them five questions. They never want to answer and they file that with the FEC and those will be the index of forbidden questions for that candidate and maybe then we could move on to something else and get Beyond. I'm so shocked I can't believe and how could you possibly do this? I guess what I'm really sing. Is it this great University? They taught me to take my job seriously, but not myself so seriously, and if I had my druthers, I would love to find a way to give all the candidates some kind of a sense of humor. I haven't figured out how to do that whether I should Federal Express them one or whether we have to put them all under hypnosis or what we have to do, but they're only idea right now of a good joke is if one of their opponents happened to be arrested for being a horse thief or something that would be funny beyond that. They didn't see it and yet if you look over the past two of our most popular presidents John Kennedy and Ronald Reagan were terrific with humor self-effacing humor. They were able to laugh at themselves. Not only that. I keep saying to these guys for crying out loud. You don't have to listen to Pat Schroeder, but humor has always been for politics with the getaway car was for bank robbers. Come on. Especially if you look at how it's been used lately anyway. We could still use some more of it and let us hope that this all starts to come about. So what are the issues that I think we really need to be focusing on 1st. 1988. The window is open. It is the first time the windows really been open in eight years to select new leadership. It may be the last time the windows open for another eight years. Therefore this year is terribly critical to discuss all these issues in 1989 doesn't make a lot of sense. This is the time where you have the most impact on the things that we care about and this great nation is moving rapidly towards the 21st century and there's an awful lot of things that we ought to be talking about. I have a theory that in 1945 we decided that America had had a lot of bad news during World War II and now it was good news. And it was our heritage only to have good news from then on and nobody ever dare stand up and say anything that wasn't just jri it's morning in America rainbows unicorns, you know, the bumper stickers. I heart this I heart that and the notion is if you're a politician and you raise your hand and say, excuse me, isn't it Troublesome? We've become the world's largest debtor nation in seven years. People say, oh Doom and Gloom. Oh, you know, well, I don't know that that's so much Doom and Gloom is it is reality and I'm beginning to think that we just are finding politicians totally paralyzed at the idea of having to deal with reality. But if we're going to have this discussion, In 1988 and if we're going to talk about how we get this country into the 21st century, we have better talk about how we get out from being the world's greatest debtor Nation what we do about our own debt how we're going to need the trade competitiveness that we need to meet. What we're going to do about the status of America's families, which are really finding terrific pressure as they try and keep up with what they thought was the normal middle-class life and I and how we're going to get nuclear weapons under controlled. None of those things are being really discussed front and center. Let me just talk about a few of the things that I've been doing that I find really fascinating because of my frustration that the candidates have not been talking about family issues. I've put together a Road Show. It is myself. It's dr. Berry Brazelton a pediatrician from Harvard who wrote the working and caring books who did the whole scale on the development of infants in their first four months and how very critical that bonding is between parent and child. Guess what he discovered the parent and child don't bond in the delivery room. You know? Hi, Mom. Hi, Dad back to work see it dinner. Nor do they bond in the adoption that that beginning is terribly important Gary David Goldberg who's the executive producer of Family Ties ran a daycare center at Berkeley in the 60s, which he called The Organic daycare center. Goes around talking about how this society says two men and women so you want daycare. So go negotiate with your employer. That's how you get it in America. He says that's a joke. He Gary David Goldberg could get gate day care because he could say to Paramount Studios, either you put take care in for everyone in the studio are I will take my show to another Studio, but if anybody else had said, I don't think I'll work here. If you don't have daycare, they wouldn't work there and so he can say that very openly and say that what we're telling young parents is ridiculous and it's time we deal with reality. So we're out on the road. We're going through the South right before super Tuesday and we are hitting family issues. And what are they we're talking about the fact that the American dream of home car college for the kids and health insurance is not affordable to most young families. Anymore, they get out of college. They're in tremendous death if they want to get a home they're even deeper in debt. And if we're going to say to them, you can only have a child when one can stay home and take care of that child. We got to find a way to Mayock make octogenarians fertile are at in going to work because They are not going to be able to do it. It's just that clear as to what is happening and this country that when I got out of school what I paid for a house in Denver, Colorado. I can't buy a car for in Denver Colorado today and salaries have not kept up and so it does take two salaries and that puts incredible stress on that young family because we say to them daycare is your problem both of you working outside the home remember Germaine Greer said everybody needs a wife. No one really needs a husband. It's probably an overstatement but Both of them working outside the home puts incredible stress on America's young families. We're the only country where you can still be fired for having a baby. That makes a lot of sense if you want to exist as a country, if you look at our tax code all of you who are young and planning the future you would do better under our tax code to raise thoroughbred horses or dogs than children. I can tell you this is the mother of two college-age children. I give them t-shirts every day saying this child is its mother's new car equivalent. They won't wear them, but it's true. Equal pay for equal work 1988 and America Labor Statistics still tell us if a man and a woman go to John at the same job in the morning at the same time for the woman to make the same amount of money. She's got to stay there till 10:30 at night. We still don't have equal pay for equal work. We don't have those things and those are basically family issues. They've been treated as family issues in every country of the world every country. If I had a map up here and colored in every country that had dealt with these kind of issues years and years ago, I would call her in every single country except South Africa Burkina bissau, Sudan Keanu and the United States. Those are the big five. Now that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. And it is time we move on it. We have 37 million people working in no health care and we say to them so go buy it on the private Market you ever tried that you have to sell your firstborn. If you don't have a group insurance policy. Good luck getting any kind of Health Care. So what we are talking about is the basic American Family Dream and it shouldn't be a dream. It should be reality and it isn't for our new generation and that is their right to have a home in the right to have a car and the right to have children and their right to be able to get those children as higher education as they possibly can without going in hock and their right to provide basic Healthcare. So we're going out we're doing our tour. We're talking about specific legislation. We're talking about how they can get their members of Congress and presidential candidates focused on these issues. Now you ask the average presidential candidate. Family and they tell you about there's I have a wife good, you know, I think so much of women. I married one, you know. The W word never crosses the lips, you know, it's like women are a special interest group. But if you really push they tell you about theirs that's not the issue Washington DC talks more about family and has done less than any other country and we are now in the worst shape of any other industrialized country in how you measure those things whether you're looking at divorce rates whether you are looking at adolescent problems are adolescents are off the charts on anything you want to talk about drug abuse alcohol abuse teenage pregnancy. Something is tremendously wrong and we've got to put it together. That's not Doom and Gloom that's putting Yankee Ingenuity to work and figuring out how we start putting the right incentives out there to get child care. So it's available to people to give people protection so they can have babies and not get fired so that they can have equal pay so that they are getting tax breaks equal to what Corporate America gets. Rather than having to sustain all of corporate America's tax cuts on their back. And Healthcare and housing and all of that. So we're having great fun doing that. And that's we are being so well-received. You want to know the number one criticism we had from our first weekend was the program wasn't long enough. I mean, I never had that in my entire history of political experience. The next thing that I think is so important the next big issue we need to be talking about in aren't back to 1945 America comes out of this war. It was a terrible War America has over 50 percent of the world's gross national product. It is only fair and it was right and we did it and we should be very proud of it that America invested in rebuilding Western Europe and rebuilding Japan and in defending them so there would not be a vacuum where someone moved in. We did it, but it's now 1988 and we are now about 20% of the world's gross national product and we are spending more than our national debt every year defending Western Europe and Japan. As taxpayers, I think you should be asking when do we get the dividend? We made these Investments when we get the (00:26:47) dividend. (00:26:52) I also think it makes for a much healthier world. It is not like we are pulling out of the alliance's it is instead saying, hey, you're now senior Partners, you know have strong economies like we do pull up to the table bring your threat assessments with you. We'll bring our threat assessments will work it all out and we'll make assignment and I think that's absolutely what we have to do or I see no way we get out of this national debt that we are now being driven and driven and driven further and further. Also what we are seeing happening in the last seven years is something that's really horrendous and that is because we have run out and said no. No, this is America we go anywhere we do anything with the Placement of the world just ring us up. Everybody got on to it and they got to think and you know, I bet these clowns will space spend anything to keep their base here. So they come back and say yeah, you want to renew your base. You know, this is what it's going to take. Well, then every other country does the same thing and so we're into this whole new thing of extortion. I mean the bases that are in countries to defend our allies our alliance everything suddenly became our basis and we were to pay our we would lose them and wouldn't it be terrible and what's going on now that to me is really crazy to have gotten ourselves in that position. But we did even the same thing in the Persian Gulf look at the Persian Gulf you ask taxpayers are spending $100 per barrel of oil if you just take what that little maneuver costs and divided into the number of barrels of oil that are coming out of the gulf that maybe not the way to measure it, but that's the way I measured its $100 a barrel we can get it for you. Denver for 17 dollars a barrel and we won't start a war but we're out there doing it. How did we get there? How did we get there? We got there because the Kuwaiti royal family said to the White House either you come over and protect the oil are will ring up the Communist. He said, oh we'll be there here. They come now pull out the fleet now, wait a minute. The response should have been yeah, why don't you do that? I've never seen a communist royal family. That is not even an option for me. Meanwhile wherein wherein big and then the issue becomes in this Rambo Mania that America's been so into in the 80s. Well, we can't Retreat, you know, we're in there right? And so we go around saying isn't that wonderful country X is going to send someone over to look for mines three days a week and we said, oh terrific. Oh great help from the Allies now. Come on. We really upset really looks silly and I think we have to have this debate about what our role is going to be and how we're going to burden share with our allies and how we're going to treat them were equally We tend to want to treat them more as children and say that the reason we have to do everything the reason we have to control the bat and the ball and the playing field is they might want some input if we let them buy the ball. I think we might have a much healthier foreign policy if we did that but I must say we're not going to get to that debate in 1988. If we don't stop this Rambo stuff going on as it's still going on with this, you know, Macho be I'm tough. You know, here we go. my great dream is that America is able to once again have a foreign policy driven by brains rather than (00:30:51) glance and (00:31:05) I don't see it happening right now. I mean, we just finished the State of the Union. The president's budget is already one month late. Now. The Congress has a lot of blame to and I totally agree with his, you know, laying it out there. It's been despicable but how he could stand up and go through all this and be so perfect when he hasn't even gotten his in it's a month late. Imagine turning your papers in at this University a month late and then condemning the teachers right for not getting them out on time a very interesting. You know, he just brought up this week. One more request for Contra Aid there can't be anybody anybody south of the Rio Grande if the figures are true that doesn't have 25 new pairs of shoes. I mean, there's no more room for shoes down there you begin to think You began to think it what are we? What are we doing? Is it a centipede or what are we what are we doing? Again, though, it's how is America going to use its power in this Hemisphere and the 21st century. We better be talking about that the thing that made me so proud about America was we did use our power to rebuild allies that had been enemies that's very hard to do even in your own interpersonal relationships when you have just an argument with someone it's a little hard to turn around and say hey, can I buy you dinner? We did it and that's what made America terrific and we've never done it in this hemisphere for more than a few months. We had the alliance for Progress going a little bit. But the rest of the time we wanted to stomp around here and this hemisphere is though. We were it were a bathtub and we were the elephant and then we wonder why they resent the fact that this bathtub having to share this bathtub with his elephant that refuses to be leashed. Now, how are we going to best survive in this hemisphere? I think we've got to bring hope to the rest of the hemisphere opportunity to the rest of the hemisphere. And how do we do? How do we invest our money that way rather than continuing on with only Brute Force, you know, but we're not having that debate. And of course the environment and all those things I come from a state where we always said we are the lungs of the nation people come to Colorado to breathe right not anymore. We don't say that a lot anymore. A lot of those things, you know, you only go around once and you really ought to turn the planet over in better shape than you found it and I'm not sure we're going to make that either all of those things are out there and very critical and when just not getting it this is the most stylized election I've ever seen the candidates look alike sound alike, and they dress alike, you know. And I think people are frustrated because you can watch debate after debate and part of it is because of the numbers of the candidates. It's very hard to figure out how you would do it differently. I don't know but you get all done and you feel that you haven't learned that much about any of the candidates you have just caught their act, you know what I mean and most people have better things to do with their time than judge acts. I mean the question is what kind of vision of leadership to they have. Where do they want to take this country? How do they think they're going to get there? And what is everybody's role going to be in it? And I don't think we know that yet, but I think our mission is voters is to go out and figure out how to do it. The one thing I learned at this University that has been so helpful to me was real political science real political science is that the average politician wants to turn people off that don't agree with them. Why because then you probably won't come vote. It's been working pretty well. More people watch Family Ties than vote in America. It's been working pretty well. Now what you really want to do is you want to become empowered in the way our forefathers thought and so you turn it around so that you get the politicians attention and so they can't do that to you. They can't turn you off. How do you turn people off? Well, if they write you in about an issue, you don't answer them. You don't return the phone calls or you write some inane card back. Thank you very much for this when that matter comes up, whatever it is. I'll be sure and take it into account. And you say they don't listen they don't pay attention. They don't answer their mail. I'm not going to vote. That's crazy. You just let him have it by default. Now what I learned at the University of Minnesota. I was back in the days when we had fights about daylight savings time with the state legislature if you can believe it and what would we do we would say dear sir today on the University of Minnesota. We have registered 500 students that think your policy stink in re daylight savings time. We should be able to have our own choice and go with the City of Minneapolis because they kept putting us on Standard Time and City of Minneapolis was on daylight savings time is unbelievable. See you in November and you know, you did about three or four of those postcards and they were down here saying it is so right that the university be able to have the same time that the city it's enhanced. Right? So you turned it around that's real empowerment. And we lot of people have forgotten that and now it's 88 and we've got to start figuring out how we take it back how we get the issue shaped and how we get this dialogue going. Because this country's only going to be as good as the brains and the people in the ideas that run it but there is so much out there such great diversity and I think we can do it, but we got to get it started pretty soon because the train is getting pretty far down the track. Thank you very much for letting me be here and I really look forward to your questions. (00:37:29) Cumbersome one Patricia Schroeder stepping away from the podium at Northrop Auditorium in Minneapolis at the University of Minnesota for just a moment later texts on her chair on stage with her G Edward shoes and a dean of Humphrey Institute going through a microphone alongside the podium with no cards in his hand questions from the audience of them submitted and the insurer will now begin asking those questions. We have an easy question for you to start. Commentators such as Ellen Goodman have posited that the first woman president will be a republican so that political conservatism will counter and otherwise radical change questions. Not what you think it is. Listen carefully. Would you consider changing parties? (00:38:23) I love it. Can you imagine why doesn't somebody go out and call the head of the Republican Party? Mr. Farr and cop and tell him that you heard today that I was considering changing parties will go crazy. I have a feeling that they wouldn't take me I'll be the first person (00:38:38) rejected. Next question is more serious. Is member of the House armed services committee and Deputy Whip for arms control legislation? What is your position on President Reagan's additional? Non-lethal Aid to the conquerors. Have you proposed supported an effort to stop this (00:39:00) funding? Absolutely. I have not voted for any of (00:39:05) that. (00:39:09) I think that the peace process is a very important one and we now have the president's down there trying to work together the presidents of those different Central American countries. They are begging and pleading with us not to do this. They are saying, you know for crying out loud, if you want to give a give it to the Red Cross humanitarian aid, but, you know don't give it to the contras. I think I think they're right and I think we ought to let the peace process have a chance. We have written it off so many times and it keeps coming back. And so I think people down there really want to try and Those countries together and we deserve letting them do it and they deserve the chance to do it. As someone said the original timeframe the administration gave for the peace process. You cannot close on buying a house in Washington DC in that time frame. So it's going to take a long time to unwind these things but they're coming and the worst thing we can do is keep sending Aid down there that keeps sidetracking it. (00:40:25) I told you she tells it like it is the next part good-x questions in three Park. What is the current status of the Family and Medical Leave Act second what excuse me who are its opponents and third what can we as individuals do to counter the opposition and help get the FMLA (00:40:44) past? Thank you for that. Wonderful question. The current opposition is basically the Chamber of Commerce and they keep using this argument that people can go negotiate for those kind of Rights. Again. That's why a Gary David bois-guilbert is so effective and pointing out now, you can't negotiate for those kind of Rights. You don't get a job. We used to use that argument when you run into someone who says that we used to use the negotiation argument on health and safety issues. Remember we used to say coal miners negotiate with the owner of the coal mine for the safety of the coal mine. Sure. Or they did and finally we said that is a facade and we're losing too many coal miners were going to have some standards the same thing is happening on family medical leave. So we're if the main thing you can do to help us pass. It is get co-sponsors. It is ready to go to the house floor. And what we're hoping is we can take it to the house floor and pass it but we need as many co-sponsors as possible and that's part of why we're doing this Southern tour because we don't have any co-sponsors in the South they tend to be terrified of this. I never knew that having a baby was such a questionable act but apparently it is in the South (00:42:07) good next question is can you as co-chair of the credentials committee for the Democratic Convention comment on the threat that Minnesota DNC members and elected delegates will not be seated. (00:42:21) Well, I think it's outrageous. I cannot believe that my party is picking on Minnesota. It is the only state that we had in the Bank last time at why we're doing that. I don't (00:42:33) know so (00:42:40) I have communicated to them about that. But I think it's at you know, I don't know what you know how when you grew up there were always people who were so uptight about rules and it's like there's this little cabal of people at the DNC who say but those are the rules and they're breaking the rules and we said these are the rules that will wear the rules come from and those are stupid rules and Minnesota had early primaries before so it's not like they just made this up. They're not just doing it to be ornery, but they really are being tenacious and feeling their little ant hill is being (00:43:15) threatened. Have another Foreign Affairs question is Gibson president Mubarak recently suggested that the u.s. Role in the Middle East peace. Negotiations had become one of inactivity. Assuming you believe this statement to be true. What suggestions would you make and what posture should the u.s. Assume in a more active role in the Middle East? (00:43:49) Well, I think I think my Barracks absolutely right? I am totally appalled that we let Camp David just fall off the cliff. And in the interim the main role that the United States has been able to use in the past in the Middle East has been to say to people if you want weapons or if you want protection or if you want agreements with the US you are going to move towards peace on this Israeli dispute and your to come to the table and we want the neighborhood to be discussing it now. It's interesting in Central America. We have the neighborhood discussing it. We don't want anything to do with it over here. What we're trying to do is just get them to the table to have the neighborhood discuss it but the problem has been for seven years. We have totally ignored that and every country down there has gotten all the weapons. They wanted anything. They wanted out of us protection of the Persian Gulf. With absolutely, no requirement that they come to the table and talk about how we finally begin to resolve these very difficult areas of the israeli-occupied territories. And so you got to be president. I'd states to mandate that and let us hope the next president of the United States gets out the Camp David Accord and brings it back and puts it front and center and says we talk to no one we help no one and we're not going to do anything there unless you help us get this neighborhood going because we cannot go in and unilaterally tell them what to do that never works. But what we can use is our power to get them finally seated at the table and moving toward the right direction that Sadat dreamed of I think when he started that whole process it was very (00:45:37) courageous. Somewhat of a follow-up question. Do you expect any further progress in arms reduction during Reagan's last year. If not, we'll momentum for it be lost for the next Administration. (00:46:01) No, I hope not. First of all what we do to language troubles me. I guess it's become a because I come from a state with mountains, but I don't think we should have called the INF thing a summit. We should have just called it the first base camp. That's really all it was very important. I mean, you never get to the summit. If you don't get to the first base camp, but it's still only the first base camp. You have got incredible numbers of weapons all over the world and we just have not done a good job of lowering it I think people understand that and they want more progress and there was some tremendous breakthroughs in the INF that we should try and build on first being a symmetrical reductions that the Soviets are reducing many more vis-à-vis what we're reducing. That's a wonderful way to for a breakthrough and use that as a precedent for Conventional Weapons and for other nuclear weapons, and the other important precedent is the on site verification lastly. I think one of the most exciting proposals I've seen came right here out of the Hubert Humphrey school, maybe a lot of you saw the article in the star, I believe it was January 3rd about a graduate student had put forward the idea maybe how you solve trade nuclear weapons and all these issues is have Japan purchased the nuclear weapons from the United States and the Soviet Union and dismantling. It puts cash back into those two. We make sure they're dismantle Japan's doing something. It's very pleased to do because they were the real victims of nuclear war and they want to make that the last fascinating idea and I remember the newspaper saying maybe we had a turn more of these problems over to Young students. They're (00:47:52) right. Maybe we should I have a group of questions here that are all in the same direction first. What is the chance that the Democratic party will once again emerged from the convention so divided that it cannot put together a successful campaign. (00:48:13) Well, I hope that's wrong this year what I hear and it may be totally wrong. Normally the media can't afford to keep covering all those candidates. So they really call it down to two or three after the first couple primaries this year. The media apparently is covering the race quite differently and that is rather than sending out these whole team's the boys on the bus. You know, that's very costly. They're doing it through a lot of their local affiliates and feeds and so forth. So it's much more economical. So there isn't the pressure to call the race down to just a few people real fast. Therefore were much more apt to have many different candidates coming to the convention with some delegates than before if that scenario unravels now whether that comes out in a healthy way or an unhealthy way, I'm not sure but I think long term it's going Much more healthy. I think if you have a real convention rather than just a big hoo-ha, which is what it's been before everybody knew how the hoo-ha was going to come out. So it was just how do you fill up for days at a time on National Television you may be able to really start coalescing and put together a ticket that everybody can finally be happy with and delegates are really going to mean something and have some real power other than their just a proxy to get through that first ballot. So it could be a historic Year. Everybody says I Schroeder your nuts it's you know the way it's been before maybe but I don't see real excitement going one way or another and I think we need a little more time to meld these issues and candidates together because the Democratic party's polling very well on the issues, but we have not been able to get the issues attached to a candidate so we can win that's going to be a real (00:50:11) trick. This question follows you talk about the presidential candidates as if they are a lot alike. What about Jesse Jackson and the issues he is raising. Well, (00:50:29) yes, I think Jesse Jackson has been raising some very good issues. And he certainly is the most Lively Dynamic verbose articulate of the group. There's no question. I think we would have all gone to sleep if he hadn't been in the race. The the troubling thing I feel is that the media has never given him the coverage that he deserved as FrontRunner. And so people don't know what he's saying. I had someone today tell me that he had been here talking about burden-sharing and I said, oh well, I don't know that unless you are in one of the early primary states where the candidates are coming. You don't hear what he's saying, they'll show you a picture of him dressed up like a farmer but that's it. You don't hear the substance outside of the state. So I'm not sure why the media is doing that why they're not covering more of what he's saying, but he seems to be addressing the issues the most and getting the least attention for that Focus. It's troubling (00:51:43) next two questions are very closely related one in a sense provides a background for the other one you decided against running for the presidency because you couldn't discover a way to do it that you felt comfortable with What are your thoughts today about how you or anyone could could see a different kind of campaign one that doesn't compromise your human relationships and integrity. (00:52:10) Well, I've been giving that a lot of thought clearly the thing that keeps me going in all of this is being able to deal with people one-on-one and meeting real people than listening to what they say and the whole idea of being put on a plane and flown from place to place and thrown out on Airport tarmac after airport tarmac and then they try and put together a photo op. So it looks like you were there and then on to the next place, I really couldn't do that giving the same speech now, I think there are other ways to do it but you certainly need more time than what I had because it's also important to get to all these places. So you need much more time when Europeans say to us, how come it takes so long to run in your country in our country. We do it in six weeks. Yeah. Well, Got a country. We got a continent. I mean, it's that different it's a huge huge country and to really be able to do it the way I want to which is really meeting people talking to people building a local organization and not imposing one from Washington where people come out and say I've been a Minnesota now for two hours. I know everything it takes much more time than I had this summer. And so I learned a lot about that and I learned a lot about how important it is to build contacts in these different states and be able to put that together and if I don't feel comfortable with it and can't do it that way then I don't want to do it. I mean if you just turn it over to media consultants who put you on a leash and think that you're a lump of clay that they are going to sculpt I wouldn't do well and they wouldn't do well either. (00:54:00) Have two very specific questions one. Would you accept a vice presidential nomination second invitations with the word should be not nomination second. The convention is deadlocked. Would you accept a draft? Well, (00:54:23) let me answer the first one first. I mean, I can't believe anybody would ever ask so it's not a thing that I stay around and think about very much the vice presidential slot has traditionally been one who does funerals fundraising and cheerleading and people want someone who's going to be loyal quiet? You kind of give a movie money. Tell him to come back and that's not me and I think they all know that's not me. And I think they know at my age. There's no way they changed the spots on this leopard. So, you know, I just never see that as a realistic thing. If somebody really asked knowing who I was and wanted to recraft the office of the vice presidency. I guess I'd have to think about it, but I just don't think it's real now what I ever accept a draft again. I don't think that's probably very real but obviously I would much prefer being in charge than being the cheerleader. So I would look at that. Yes. (00:55:40) I've heard only one candidate speak honestly about the AIDS crisis Jesse Jackson. How do you respond to the Reagan administration's response to AIDS. Do you think it will become a major campaign issue in 1988 if yes why if know why not? (00:56:00) Well again, it's one more major issue that we really need to be addressing in. 1988. AIDS is a major epidemic. This country is not dealing with it at all. Well, particularly Ronald Reagan, but he hasn't dealt with a lot of things like this. Well, I mean, you (00:56:18) know, (00:56:24) even the just say no it's a little more complex than that, you know. I said to the administration. I think you offended everyone with that. My mother said you should say no. Thank you. And and I think it's more complex. Never but Surgeon General Coupe is absolutely fantastic on this issue. He has been out front. He has printed the (00:57:06) booklets. (00:57:12) I got those booklets and I it took me, you know months to pound them out of that office because the administration didn't want those booklets going out and mail them out to everyone in my district. I hope every member of Congress did it is the straight forward story on apes and if you look at Great Britain, if you look at other countries, they're handling it much better than we are. We've just got to tell, you know, tell people what an epidemic it is how to deal with it. Not try and make it a civil rights issue where we're going to go hurt them all up and label them and scare people to death because instantly, you know what happens people start panicking and going underground and that's the worst thing you want to do. You want to treat it as an epidemic and you don't treat epidemics by pushing it underground. So let's treat it. Medically, let's treat it nonpartisan lie, let's try and put what we can and to research as much as we can into research. Get back and get the thing soft and let's deal with it like adults rather than children. (00:58:24) We have one more Tuffy. What are your views on abortion on demand government-funded abortion and possible revocation of Roe versus wait. (00:58:36) Well, I have always been pro-choice and I have been (00:58:38) pro-choice. (00:58:49) I'm a pro-choice basically because of my legal training. I think one of the tragedies of the whole abortion debate has been the fact that the the pro-life group has only focused on one life and we're at one life. It would be easy but there's to life and other lives involved and to me you don't have the federal government come in and start making choices in those types of situations that are very difficult and very complex. So of course and then I feel I think we're very close to seeing a repeal of Roe versus Wade, which I find frightening because it won't stop abortion. It will only stop legally safe abortions. We know that people are desperate and finally, of course I support Federal Funding for abortions when I represented Rocky Mountain Planned Parenthood in Colorado, which I used to do on a volunteer basis before I was elected our state legislature was going to shut off funding for the Teen Clinic and I said to them just promise me one thing that none of you will commit on how you're going to vote. Unless you spend a night with me at that Teen Clinic because they were all thinking about their own kids. I don't want my kids going to a clinic without my knowing it and I'm saying when you go to the clinic, you won't think that and when they got there and they saw 12 year olds, you know having problems with incest and home and they had all we saved the Teen Clinic in Colorado. So so much of it is having people really understand who needs it what it's all about and the complexities of the problem and laying it out there because that's The part that's been missing and whenever we get simplistic we often go way too far the other way. (01:00:53) Thank you. We had one final question that also very serious. You're from Denver and work in Washington. Who do you pick in the Super Bowl? And (01:01:16) why? Well to be perfectly honest, my heart was broken because I wanted to go with Joan grow and Marlene Johnson off to the Super Bowl after today with the Vikings and Denver. I thought it was gonna be much more fun. Maybe we can do it next year. They've been so wonderful. And so helpful. I thought I'd be just great we can leave the fundraiser. We were going to do later today and get on the plane and fight all the way out there and become part of the jaw khakhra see ya, but (01:01:50) but (01:01:51) since they're not there I have no problems at all. We are backing the Broncos and I am seeing orange for Sunshine for Sunday. Thank you. Thanks a (01:02:01) million. Congresswoman Patricia Schroeder from Colorado taking Standing Ovation from the now nearly capacity Northrop Auditorium here at the University of Minnesota and including a Live question and answer session broadcast to your ovaries, Minnesota Public Radio Stations. Thanks to my colleague Minnesota public radio's legislative reporter George boozy for being with us to get the Rosen lecture under way thanks to technical technical director Scott Bridgewater for helping us bring this broadcast to you. They'll be a short presentation now with black and will forgo that opportunity and this concludes our live coverage of the Carlson lecture.