This is midday on Minnesota Public Radio a listener-supported broadcast service. This is the news and Information Services MPR ksjn in Minneapolis. And st. Paul 1330 on your dial. Listeners in north central Minnesota are tuned to KC RB in Bemidji at 88.5 megahertz. It is one minute past twelve and now to introduce today's Studio guest and the topic for the rest of the hour here is we asked all thank you, Bob, Penny Faris calls himself a lecture researcher and investigator in the field of parapsychology. That's a study of psychic phenomena things like telepathy ESP hauntings and so on. He is former director of the Minnesota Society of parapsychological research base with University of Minnesota. And Mister Ferris is in the studio with us for the next hour to take listener questions related relating to the psychic phenomena or parapsychology. Welcome. How does how does one get interested in the field of parapsychology? Is it one of those things that a person trains for to get PhD to go to school? How do you train for parapsychology? well, just recently they've instigated a pair of psychological study at the University of California Davis Dr. John Palmer is offering the first degree in parapsychology the United States known at this time and in my own case, it came as a more of an inspirational calling. It was something that I had several out of the body experiences, which is your Consciousness leaving your physical body and functioning as its own entity looking back many times upon the physical body and this experience was an incredible experience brought me the mini realization about life and in death in the things that trans fire between those two and that's how I particularly got started by having several of these experiences and then seeping out the answers to these experiences. Adding listeners that if if you have a question about the field of parapsychology telepathy, you can call us and ask Benny Ferris a question at 2276 thousand few listening in the Twin Cities or toll-free with in Minnesota at one 800-652-9700 at one 800-652-9700 Benny. You've been doing some specializing lately. I specifically in the field of hauntings experiences with what some would call ghost the ghost really exist. Well, yes, they do. It's a question that's been asked over and over there is historical documentation of gross or hauntings. I think it breaks down into two categories one being ghosts in one being apparitions operation operations are a a ghost-like image many times where a person know would see someone walking down a Gothic steps at dinner time in evening gown and it has been doing it for 200 years something along the English line like that. The ghosts are the people who have been in physical embodiment and upon their death they leave and they transfer into the spirit world at that time. Unless a person has a Strong desire for something in the physical world, they go ahead and make their ordinary transition into Spirit live. But if a person has that very strong desire it Drazen to the physical world back to the physical world where they stay because there's no one in the spirit world to tell you what you have to do. It's a thing of your own Consciousness your own awareness and how you perceive that awareness and growth if these people can understand that the physical things that they desire such as possessions a house or whatever the case may be that these are only physical realities that hold them back from the spiritual development in the spirit world. At that time they can go on about their life. If they can give up those ideas of possessiveness and possessing newest is a basically the young the trick word in for the spirit world because that's the thing that does draw you back to the physical world. Benny Ferris is a lecture and researcher in the field of parapsychology. He's with us here on midday to take your questions and Benny. It appears that we have somebody on the line right now. Maybe you could go ahead and ask you a question of an experiment with one of the astronauts and they have it assembled. I assume that They carried off the experiment but I've never read any bubbles pound of what the results were. Yes, that was Edgar Mitchell and one of the Apollo flights and that it was it was not too and there was not much known about it at the time the experiment was going on but it was a fairly successful experiment enough to tantalize NASA and the other people who were putting a space probes up Edgar Mitchell since then as many other astronauts have gone on to other awarenesses and going on to things that open up a wider dimensions for them to understand and it was one of the most substantial research projects that the American government or one of his associates have undertaken in the history of parapsychology in United States. So it was a very important experimental and he is at this time conducting experiments and research in the field of parapsychology from Jesus pure. Let's meet at that time is what opened his eyes to the possibility of these experiences to 276 thousand if you're listening in the Twin Cities, or if you are out stayed in Minnesota, and I would like to call and ask Benny first question. Give us a call in what 800-652-9700 will take her next question. Go ahead. I'd like to know what's your theory on Deja Vu is or does deja vu outside outside of parapsychology? Well, I don't think it's because we have no known facts and insubstantial realities about it. So therefore the parapsychological investigation is important thing in deja vu and my own theory on Deja Vu is that we have a pre-existing has already planned out by the time we come into this life time before we were born and the deja vu is a momentary experience in which we tap into that pre-existence tape that we have prepared for ourselves as as a growth process in this lifetime. We all experience Deja vu's I don't think there's anyone within listening audience who has not at one time or another said I have done this before are you know, Aunt Martha's on the phone. I know who's ringing the phone and it's a it's a valid very widespread phenomenal, but I believe it's hey, I'm momentary realization of the tape that we put in for our life experience before we come in. Is that something that you have thought about? actually, my theory is that I can come up with is a deja vu death experience of deja vu because you dreamt About a similar experience beforehand and because that experience is in your subconscious, you you create it again, you set yourself up to have that kind of experience maybe because you want it maybe because there's something you need to confront that was in your dream. But that seems like the most likely explanation to me. well, you know if that is what is an Seems most substantial for you at the time. I don't feel parapsychology is a is a dictatorial Endeavor. I think it's more of the spontaneity of a person's own individual the reality of it. And I respect your you're using and I still maintain mine that that I'm glad it's called. And now the brain is a is a very powerful organ and its influence by chemicals that react in our brain. We're all influenced by the brain chemicals. How does how do you how can you be sure that things like experiences with ghosts or Deja Vu whatever you want to talk about. How can you be sure that that's just not your mind playing tricks on you? Well, there's a realization that goes with experience that until you had an experience like that. It's an objective summation the reality when you have the experience dictates to you that this is a true experience. It rings true to you all the way through if something is a very subjective reality. There's no way around it. We cannot prove it on an objective basis. It has to be a subjective experience. That one goes through and I think that's a very good thing. 2276 thousand in the Twin Cities one 800-652-9700. If you have a question for Ben E Farris out state within Minnesota. Give us a call go to our next caller. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. I have a two-part question. identify the Annapolis and is there any appropriate response to either one of them I'll hang up and listen to your answer. The difference between the spirit is the conduct of the spirit FAA energy that you might see a ghostly figure and they perform the same function at a particular time with no response to what's going on in the room or no response to what you might give them. That's an apparition of something usually that has An energy force that has been created by a very strong mind and this energy force continues on with within itself for a length of time until the energy is finally dissipated a spirit. Is someone who is a figure that is trying to communicate something to you something that response to your questions or yoram exhilaration of the communication, but it's am more of a communication such as you would have with anyone in your everyday life in the in the spirit form. And the way you would do was it would depend on how the spirit is conducting itself. If the spirit is conduct himself in a civil manner. There's really not a lot that you would you need to do with it was just simply that they usually have us. Of time after death that they come back to the places that they find terrorist in their hearts in the life and the people that they find terrorist and that for them is the Fulfillment and they will go on at a certain length of time by themselves 13 minutes past noon. You're listening to Benny ferrets, who is the former director of the Minnesota Society of parapsychological research at the University of Minnesota and he's a lecture and research in the field of parapsychology more callers patiently waiting on the telephone phone for you. I Benny let's go to the next caller good afternoon about that is astral projection astral projection as I mentioned earlier in my first Endeavors is the the Consciousness leaving the physical body and traveling at a distance under Direct Control. The out-of-the-body experience is not necessarily and astral projection and astral projection is when an out-of-body experience has been carried out with a direction in mind and an object's objection in mind are an object in line. And to do this is great concentration for most people to do it. Offers you a great opportunity to experience things at a distance to travel to places where your loved ones are to travel to interesting places and bring back information that you can drive from there a person who is having an out-of-body experience or an astral projection. They have to conduct themselves appropriately when they're in that particular realm There are rules and regulations of the cosmic order that go along with those astral projections. And I've had many of the out of the body experiences, but I've never really had an astral projection where I took control it to a real high degree, but I have known those who have and it's very exhilarating experience. Once you get over the first initial fright of being outside your body looking in all of a sudden it seems as your body is a secondary organ to your Consciousness say you meet somebody on the bus or the restaurant or on the street and you were to tell them about these out of the body experiences what percentage of the people around the region believe you. Well, it definitely depends on what region you're in if you happen to be in Minneapolis on the bus, it's always fun to have a friend along where you can chat about these things in the bus and watch the ears. It's like the advertisement for the broker and all the ears are listening by the time you get off the bus. It's your fault. I would say but if you were in Duluth, yeah, it would be a little less listen to percentage would go down but I would say 60% of the people are interested to listen at least and up. I would say 40% are believers and usually highest 30 or maybe 40% have had an experience. So therefore when they hear something within that realm and terminology being described, they find a real interesting because they may have had an experience themselves, but have had no vocabulary to express themselves in and when you have a major experience in your life such as an out-of-the-body experience or a near-death experience or a ghost or a hunting and you don't have the vocabulary to discuss it with on a on a irrational level gets very frustrating because it may be the most exported experience in your life and yet it may take years to develop vocabulary to discuss it if you are holding and waiting to talk to Benny. Paris be patient will get to you. Let's go to the next caller. You're on the year. Well, there's been a lot said about actually crying in the parapsychological field and not always been good. Alex to kill himself claimed to be the Beast 666 of Revelations. He was a magician a magician not of a stage order but of a magical order and the Golden Dawn itself was a magical order supposedly. I split off from a German order that was started in England and likes to acrylic was one of the very up-and-coming magicians of that order and he practice his his magic to a very high degree of the men was a magician of high-order, but I personally feel that extra curly did not care what he used black magic or white magic and there is very a strong difference between the two when is used for Acquisition in the other is used for helping and his a part in the Golden Dawn was a very important part of because he later split off from that order and started his own order and there are still today people who follow extra Crowley in San Francisco. There's an order of people who follow on extra Curly. It's parapsychology a science or Arts. Well, I don't think it's really been categorized yet as my other. I don't think it ever will be if it's truly described because it is a blending of both of those things in the aspect of a science. We are just now coming into a the realization that we must record and understand the 4th dimensional activity with 4th dimensional equipment and awareness where the scientist in the past have all looked. to parapsychology with their three dimensional realities and the scope of understanding this thing and it's not something to be I brought about it 5 every evening. It's a spontaneous realization in most cases and therefore it's very hard to study in a clinical environment. Although it's being done now. Okay, let's get back to the telephones. Good afternoon your on the year. Any number of things in my life? Boy and the girl if I would just sit quietly in a room and think about what she should do, you know teenagers clean your bedroom rather than fight with her I get to think about it and I can still think about her calling me and within a day. She will call the boy has any major problem turned up at the house. He was three-quarters of the way across the country at the college. I get a call from him and his first words would be what's wrong at home. I was ordered to come to Northern Minnesota by position for my help. I have never been up in this area before and I went around knocking on doors. Does anybody know of a house for sale? And this place was for sale the minute I walked into it. I could have drawn you a diagram of the room. Size of them and everything else occasionally on the property when I'm working out there. I will see the shadow of a man and he has coveralls on him and this was a farm at one time or what? Well, yes in the case with your children. This is definitely a case of ESP. I think this is one of the more common cases of ESP among the family unit in that we do have the ability to affect a person's thinking and wearing us with our own thoughts. When we treat those thoughts. They have a power of their own and when they're transferred as the Apollo indicator, the Apollo test indicated distance has no relative matter to it whatsoever. Your ESP natural abilities probably is what allows you to see the Sanity on the farm and farms are quite well known for for the EMTs that still are there because many people were very simple living at that time and a very religious developed of it about mind and and so they often remain on the Farmland that they might have farmed all of their life in the particular case that you're speaking of. I would say that the person who lives there had lived on the farm previously to that in that does have you ever spoken to this empty or thought about it very strongly and how to react one of your thoughts such as one of your children to do videos of strike coverall on and then I can describe it always not to toot all around the slim side and it's like if the house is very old house is 8085 years old and I live alone and I have a large Doberman dog and there are times when I feel something in the house the dog is very sensitive to UPS. Also because he gets a little bit upset and he looks around and he has various areas of the house that he'll go to and he stares and if I don't let it bother me, but that is just a feeling that I go to walk into a room and it's dark and it's like there's somebody in their animals are very good indication many times have the presence of a spirit because their eyesight is not within our range of eyesight. They and their senses are geared to a different vibration than ours. So often animals will have a peculiar actions when a spirit is present in your particular case, if you if the person seems distressed anyway, I would suggest that you simply say a prayer and whatever form that you feel is is proper and them sensitive to that purse. Then ask them that they they look forward to the time in the spirit life that you know, they can leave the physical world behind and go on about their business and that way they can go on about their business and you can go on about your business. I'll write thank you for calling in for northern Minnesota 24 minutes now past noon Central Time you listening to mid-day on Minnesota Public Radio. Benny Faris is along with us today taking your calls at 1 800-652-9700. If you're calling from a long-distance location within Minnesota or to 276 thousand in the Twin Cities, we have a number of callers patiently waiting to ask their questions and we'll go to the next one right now. Good afternoon your on the year made about the fact that you're convinced that ghosts exist and that they exist because they've left some unsettled business in the early and in the present life. How could you share with us some of the experiences or research that you've done her had that would lead you to this conclusion and second have you any your experiences are visions of go to Minnesota or the Twin Cities area. You might share with us. And third have you would you comment on a recent Psychology today article that dismisses after death experiences mirrors cycle organic hallucinations. Thank you and will try to keep it brief. We've got a number of people waiting. well, first of all, I suppose one of the most interesting cases that I've ever ran across him print or in in investigation is a middle Minnesota case in which there were four family members wanting a particular family. These family members were very angry over the fact that a Protestant Catholic had married and their family have been on the farm for many many years and they we're very angry about the fact that the husband had married out of the faith and that particular hunting produced physical manifestations, which is very unusual for a for a haunting in that it would crosses off of a very young child in the house has neck when it was placed on his neck and it would be thrown around the child was manhandled. They tried mental telepathy to have the wife in the family of jump in front of trucks. It was a very violent case. It was so violent that the people had to move from Minnesota eventually. It was something you cannot be resolved at that time and they move to Arizona well for the holidays continue to that time and there was a psychic who did go into the house to examine the manifestations were happening and when the psychic return to her house every religious statue, which she had many of the house had its head broken off. Spirit had actually gone to the psychic house. And that was a warning to the psychic Two Notch metal in that business. And that was probably the most dramatic Chase old or did somebody try to contact them and say look like you doing this? Well, yes my business. First of all, the people who have secondary situation is counseling the spirits and in that particular case, we only had one spirit that ended up continuing to bother them the others were convinced that it was a wrong path for them the following that they should go ahead and leave their business to the spirit world physical physical reality saying that Eddie's experiences are Simply Organic manifestations, I think was a term used. I didn't see the article. So I really can't come at 2 too much upon that article but It's not a new Theory. I mean, it's a theory that when you were speaking of the chemical reactions in the body earlier, that's what they base their philosophies of fun. But again, I think they extract the Experience itself from from what they're trying to investigate but his second part of the question was do I of the Minneapolis area chases? And yes, one of the the best-known ones I suppose is the Guthrie. Haunting in there was a young man who was a page at the Guthrie and he had troubles in his life and but he loves the Guthrie Theater. I loved being there loaded being a page and be a part of it and he was seen many times after he was after he died in his formative years early 20s or late teens. And even today there are people who have seen him in his he was buried in the Usher's uniform that they have in his jacket and because he was so attached to the Guthrie Theater and today even there are people who are still aware of that particular case nice puss. That is the most well-known went in the Minneapolis area that I'm aware of back to the telephone. Good afternoon. You're on the air. Interrupt book All Things Great and Small. He made a little aside about a barber who is able to come up with. How should I say what the customer was thinking when he was working on the gentleman's hair and I was wondering is there ever been any research done as far as hair and parapsychological senses? Not to my knowledge, you know, you have the Samsung TL of the Bible and you know, I suppose anyone could read anything into that. They wish to my knowledge there has not been any to indicate the length of the hair has anything to do with them the Paranormal experiences? All right. Thank you for calling. Yes. I want to know if you know anything about a group that attends sessions with the spirit told Alexander. The reason I'm asking is that a close relative of mine is involved in this very much and we've noticed a big change in her personality has gotten very distant and very cold and It's very hard to relate to her where I was before. She was just completely different and what we're all concerned with is that if I can get something by the fruits and I wonder if you know anything about this. Alexander and what it's all about and can you comment on how they all at? This is something to investigate when it has such a negative effect. Well, you know the name of the medium Alexander Works through. Yes, it is. Susan Taft and I am aware of the Alexander experience. Yes Alexander and the council people and bring guidance in their own forms two people. I had Susan come to a one of the programs that I do often around the Twin Cities. And Alexander work through her at that time. And we had very mixed feelings within the group because I always examine the group they were a guest at that time and I always ask the group for insights as to how they felt about it. And we had remix some people felt it the Alexander had absolutely nothing to offer them and their other people who felt it like Center had kind of a subtle reality that they personally felt an attachment to I guess I am I don't know if I understand Alexander is the contact in the spirit world on the Astro level, whatever one calls it. Yes. That's right and Susan staff is the best medium who Alexander speak through and bring his messages. This is been several years ago that I had my meeting with Alexandra and Susan I found Susan to be very delightful person a very refreshing person. Often when a spirit contacts a medium to work through them. It's a new beginning for them and often their work is not as good as as someone who has worked with an energy for many many years. Obviously when you work with a person and one thing to remember is that you don't want to separate the spirit world and how you act with other people in the spirit world any different than you would in the physical level because they have the same reality and you have your same reality. There's not a great awareness that comes with being a spirit world. But the one thing to watch for in a case such as that is if a person does starting to become isolated and if the spirit energy is invoking this person to become isolated then it's something to reject the relationship with but many times also a person finds a new awareness that the family is not participating in and to them as soon as very alien and therefore those conclusions might Drawn from that contact to but caution is the watchword of spirit communication before we get too much further into the show. Let's get ahold of you in case they don't get in touch with you on the Shelf. If you have an interesting story or a maybe a haunting or something that you would like to ask you can write me at the address as follows and that's Benny Ferris. p h a r e s Rural Route 2 box 142 a Underwood, Minnesota a zip code 56586 and I will try to answer all all the communications I have at that time and maybe we'll get them that address again a little later on for all those people who didn't have tenses 5 and 1/2 minutes now before 1 central time to go back to the telephones good afternoon, you're on the air to leprosy and contacting extraterrestrial beings and is the government at all doing stuff with that but they've been many people have asked them and so far they as an official basis, they reject UFOs and telepathy and generally the whole term of parapsychology. I personally believe that there is research going on. We may not know about it for many many years, but it's quite active in other countries. The research has been Going forward and unravels in other countries and that we shouldn't encourage our Congressman senators and whoever we can talk to you to investigate it further by mail telephone door ESP to 276 thousand if you have a question for parapsychologist, Benny Ferris who is with us today on midday or one 800-652-9700. If you listening at a long-distance location in Minnesota and would like to call us toll-free 1-800 652-9700 more College waiting good afternoon, you're on the air organization called the theosophical society. And I began having out of the body experiences at regular intervals. Now, my psychiatrist says that it's schizophrenia that I'm having and not some parapsychology happening. What do you think about this? Thank you. Well, I think it's something that the profession no person has a say so in often has been misdiagnosed as schizophrenia. It's something historically this been misdiagnosed not to say that the your particular experience. I would have to mow more of the details and of your particular case to to really be able to come it deeply on that as far as one way or the other whether it is or isn't a pair of psychological experience or or schizophrenia, but they often take similar routes in the Consciousness and the again and I think the watchword here is being able to establish a vocabulary in which you can explain your experiences in rational terms that does not seem like a flighty flighty description something that you feel Brave based on solid in that experience and That's why I encourage all people who have psychic experience or think they have psychic experiences to try to establish vocabulary as best. They can looking to a psychologist or or the theosophical society or whatever. I find a sister wife excited to be a very upstanding organization in my personal experience with it. Never been a member as I'm not much of a of a joiner in the belonging to any organization other than the Minnesota Society for pro psychological research, but I find Earnest people in most organizations such as that. I'll write more colors waiting. Good afternoon. You're on the air. I have two questions some one what kind of research have a psychological research has been done in the types of shamanic state of consciousness. I'm not familiar with Doctor harness work. But the in the second part of that question. Do you Christen mystical experience? I think that the Eastern philosophy doctor elmergreen and his wife Alice have taken the portable biofeedback equipment to India and studied many of the Masters of the parapsychological state Altered States Of Consciousness and brought back some very interesting results. Jack Swartz is a is a person who has manifested incredible healing potentials and control of his bodily functions to a very high degree. Would you repeat the first part of the question? What's a research of Troy psychologists turn into Christian mystical experiences of the Holy Spirit? Francis from Saint Paul Well, this is all. Experiences that a person I called your stuff to date has to do with from written records. He really does not have any hands-on experience to deal with so it's pretty much left to the philosophies of the of the religions and to the theological theologians as opposed to a purse at College to this time. Okay. Thank you for calling a couple of comments for mr. Paris's response. My personal personally believe that the Bible is the only true and authoritative text on the realities of the spiritual Realm. The Bible states that the chasm between the dead and the living cannot be bridge and that consequently all Supernatural phenomenon are the results of either demonic or Angelic origin with a very serious complications from either area. Have you investigated the scriptures for their teaching and it's not because you are a form of leader in the field. I would strongly encourage you to search this area as you're influencing many people's lives based on what I believe are false and possibly detrimental teaching and I would also like to challenge us to Paris to read a book called The Bible the supernatural in the June by a man named McCandless Philip and that is published by Bethany fellowship. I'll hang up and listen for his response. Call Bible Supernatural in what I read the Bible quite often. I find it extremely inspirational. I find it to be something that a person can very easily find within the context to live their life and their awareness. I also think that through the mini. Transcribing to the Bible. There are many things that are not as clear as Could be within the Bible the Dead Sea Scrolls have brought up many things that with ad. More context to the Bible not necessary challenger but a higher awareness of it. I think a person has to find each one of those experiences within themselves as God speaks to each of us in his own way in his own words and through our own individual channels. And I think that we have to leave each individual to find their God in the way that best suits them and God because it is between those two people. Okay back to the telephones. Good afternoon to have a question for Ben E Farris. I must admit at least in part of being a skeptic and as many of the issues in parapsychology, however from personal experience. I know that out of the body experiences. My question is if you have at one time had an out-of-the-body experience and the normal reaction being a pullback has there ever been developing written any method for resisting the temptation to put back in other words to develop your ability to go out of your body at world. Yes, as a matter of fact that there are different organizations around the country and different individuals around the country that teach courses and how to function out of the body. As a matter of fact, I've even heard of some who offer a guarantee that it's the end of nine months. If you cannot leave your body at will you get your money back sound like a safe bet to me, although I didn't try it. But yes, there are two techniques to to doing it. A lot of it has to do with the relaxing the meditative states allowing yourself to transcend the physical everyday realities into a vibration the more sensitive awareness Society for parapsychological research wood in the Twin Cities here would be a place to start or maybe where would a person call? Well, that's where I started. In the 1973. I started the verse same place. I called because a friend of mine was donating a kidney to to her brother who was head feeling good news, and I was in the library looking for a group of healers and they suggested I contact this organization and I did and I found a lot of satisfaction through at I found a way to express learn grow and help others in that experience also, but they are located at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis and Coffman Union. I don't have another phone number offhand, but they are there. I think you could probably leave a message with him and possibly someone would get back with him. Although I am no longer currently with organization to 276 thousand if you have a question for Ben Affairs in the Twin Cities or one 800-652-9700 if you are In Minnesota and at a long-distance location will try to get to as many phone calls as possible here in the last 15 minutes or so and we'll go back to the telephone right now. Good afternoon and a question. Okay on regard to Deja Vu my personal experience was to be involved in the extreme intense feeling of having done something before to such an extreme that I spent all hours of my waking consciousness in the state of mind and in my dream car for over three years and my conclusions kind of match what you said and the caller who wondered about the dream connection to Deja Vu kind of Blends together over us penske's idea three dimensions the time that the 2nd Dimension of time there's an eternal existence of repetition of these of the tabe idea that our life is predetermined to some extent That I found it in the dream state with enough total Consciousness in that state of mind one can preview these tapes and with enough experience bring about changes in your daily life. Another comment is the fact that the there was mention of a kind of a need for vocabulary to explain many different things and I found astrology to be a language not so much as a religion or science or anything but it is a language to complain very fast psychological care psychological Concepts. And another quick comment. Is that everybody listen to show should read any books by Alice Bailey and my question deals with astrology, so I don't know whether you're qualified to answer but I have a very potent interested in finding out anything about the astrological Psychic Spiritual meaning of the Rings of Saturn and Will someone will have to help us in the audience if they're aware of that. I astrology is not a particular field that I'm aware of personally all the way can be helpful to people get back to the telephone and clear some more of those lines. Good afternoon your on the air. A well-established psychic and a medium here this a marvelous woman, and I know that she brings through. Several really highly developed being in her mediumship. And I wonder if mr. Ferris would have any suggestions for how we can make ourselves personal contact with her our guides and teachers those on much higher levels of consciousness. That's my first question and a second isn't like to have his view on poltergeist. And I'll hang up and listen. well, the Probably safest way that is generally accepted in contacting. Your hire guides is simply learning how to steal your out of Consciousness the five senses that we use to function in the physical world. Those of the sense that when we use them we do not use our finer senses of the where in the inner awareness is of which are guides contact us speak with us and help us and I would suggest that anyone who wanted to do that with simply sit in meditation prayer is always helpful to clear the channels and ask that the guidance be given to you and those who ask with a sincere heart and have patience will eventually come to a good result. If it is to be for them, they will receive that communication. And if not, then there was some police continue on maybe on a face level until that faith is established a contact between the spirit world. Physical reality 11 minutes before when you're listening to mid-day with Benny Ferris who is the former director of the Minnesota Society of parapsychological research based at the University of Minnesota another caller waiting good afternoon your on the area of a question for mr. Ferris about every more ghosts there than anywhere else and if so, why would this be well, I think it is probably because the history of the British Isles goes much further back as a recorded reality than America or many other cultures and it has been the seat of Many religious sects and Many different types of religion. So therefore we we find that within that culture itself. It tends to be a very mystical culture within its own. Oh that a lot to the history of the British Isles in the age of it. Perhaps it's something in their tea. Go back to the telephone. Good afternoon. You're on the air. I saw a news report on a late night show and they talked about using electronic equipment to record noises several thousand volts of electricity into the wall. And then they left a recorder on and locked up the place even had at the range with local authorities to make sure no one disturbs it and it came up with an organ playing and what appeared to be well-regarded. There were some sex noises. Well, the technique is is fairly simple in that you simply within a quiet room leave a tape recorder running all night and people claim to pick up many many voices often some claim to get free garbled messages, but usually the researchers that go about it claimed that they get at least some boys are such as they were turning into it. Another Society a kind of used drop you're going to come on another Society have to go about their business in those particular around. recordings, there's not A direct response to the tape recorder or the recorders but it's more less you're picking up the general context of maybe the spirit world and that is becoming very popular kind of research to do because it's so easily done and that person just simply leaves on it to recorder. We have time for a few more phone calls. Good afternoon your on the area of a question for mr. Will see you, to be back in the sixties and I think there was a time that I really felt that I was actually learning and seeing things that I didn't comprehend before until I finally realize that with the with psychedelics depending upon how potent they were. You're affecting parts of your brain after sample has so many Revelations that were actually without content where I have what I think we're how are great ideas for painting and then when I'd actually have ordinary Consciousness that to mix it with the next. I have left all that behind but I I feel that things like even Deja Vu are merely the firing of the mechanism like when you read a book that's difficult to understand and you're struggling with your struggling with it and find you to that flash of understanding or recognition in ordinary Consciousness you that you know, it's because you have you able to perceive the content of a revelation with a Content understanding of the content and I think was Deja Vu and psychedelics. The number of other things probably that are chemical that mechanism can be induced to fire when they're in fact is no corresponding knowledge happening like, you know, you pick up a pencil and Stay Awhile, you know that I really get that I really understand this at all, and I think Deja Vu is sometimes we're just walking Into a room like I've had the experience lot of times myself and I haven't used right now for about 12-15 years, but I walk into a room and sir, I'll have overwhelming feelings recognition or something like that. I think that those mechanisms of the brain can fire in most cases just on their own for unexplained reason and I think it's not sound to build a much of that kind of phenomena the glands of the body secretes certain fluids that decreased sensation within the body and what the drugs do of any nature cuz they activate those out of synchronization and the unfolding of those in natural unfoldment is a very important thing to a person's development in those cases. So I'm glad to hear that. You don't need those experiences. Any more minutes left. Let's go back to the telephone. Walnut question, I just asked if you could comment on Edgar Cayce or some of the profits that I've written about what maybe to come in this type of thing and I'll just wasn't it. Well, I read a bunch of other cases work. I respect that much of his work. People like Gene Jackson Montgomery. Nostradamus is probably the best-known psychic of the older nature of your Casey being the most well-known modern-day psychic that we we have produced in the United States of America. And I think that there's a lot to be learned from it. I think that a person still has to read it and find out what it means for them particular and any philosophy and if they find a meaningful helping hand within a philosophy or Revelation then use it don't expect everyone to use that particular philosophy or create the world in that mud. I think there are many gifted profits. I think they're coming more and more as we have time for one more faster question and we'll go to the next caller. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. I have a couple of questions if you could keep a very brief. several of deja vu a feeling of someone I cared for very deeply who died many many years ago being closed. And is there any way that one can't overcome apprehension at these feelings and that guy? Came back to say Paul after being away 20 some years and photographed the home where I was raised. My father died, 20 some years ago. And this was 10 years ago. There was a picture of my father's head in a funny wide-brimmed hat superimposed on his photograph. I took a fire family home. Is there any way to overcome this kind of fear understanding the spirit world understanding the function in the spirit world and understanding the realization that the transition from the physical reality to the spirit world is not a large step. It's just a step in which you don't see too too long. But if you have a a question that you feel like you would like to have a little deeper understanding of you can send to me at about 2. box 142 a Underwood, Minnesota And I would benefit us and I would be glad to him correspond with you in and relieve what insights I have to address to our switchboard operator downstairs here as well. So that if listeners didn't get a chance to get the address we will be able to provide it for you. If you call 221-1500 in the Twin Cities or one 806-522-9700 at long-distance location in Minnesota, Benny Ferris former director of the Minnesota Society of parapsychological research. Thank you for stopping by today Dorothy Hanford handle the telephones and Fred washer handle the phone calls and the microphones and everything else back to Bob Alright lyrics thank you. Thank you indeed 1 minute before one time for a brief look at the weather and still a couple of below zero readings in the northern part of the area. In Bemidji, it's 3 below International Falls Five Below Zero reported at Hibbing and the Thunder Bay otherwise temperatures have moved above zero and the National Weather Service is calling for a generally Fair Sky across the area today with temperatures ranging in the single digits up north and into the low twenties in the South. That's our midday program for today. 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