Well that if it goes into why I ran for office in the first place. I never intended to make a career out of being in the city council on I said when I started that I would think of you don't like 8 to 10 years would be time and of course and politics. The thing that you're looking for if you are going to remain in politics is to a way to move up and My opportunity move up was this last spring potential running for mayor and Don Frazier decided that he wanted to run for mayor and all of the delegates in City Mini applications. They all but most of them were his delegate sweet organised stuff for his Senate campaign last year. And so there was literally no chance for me or anyone else at the convention to get an oar stand without a dfl endorsement as you are next to impossible to winning in the city Minneapolis. So that kind of into that idea there isn't much room and see if I would be presumptuous enough to want to run for governor. Will I think war in spanis is going to have the night of the party before I would and I thought about running for congress a few years ago, and I was completely ready to do that and All of a sudden Marty Sable surprise me, and I never thought you want to give up being speaker of the house, but he did and here again was a case of how would one make a case for me to run against my you say before Congress. He obviously was better qualified than than I was so I supported him and so in effect what's happens if there's no place for me to go other than the remaining mean on the city council and I I just don't feel that that's in the best interest of the city or me at all this when I think city council business is very very difficult business and you're really at the head of the front lines and politics were make a lot of enemies and you make very few friends have to make decisions have to be accountable for your decisions. And as a result after 68 years, you know, a lot of scars particular through the leadership position and the time comes to move on. It's not that isn't so much fun. I enjoyed the job a lot, but it's Very demanding and it's just time for me to do something new when you talk about scars. What what kind of problems is that create for for a city council member in Minneapolis isn't never having any personal life being a subject to a harassment to from groups of people or certain people does cars come with the dfl delegates. And the delegates are in a position to take a far more liberal position than one who holds office and so they demand of you certain tests of Purity. For liberalism or their point of view and I don't agree that all their positions are liberal by the way, we can talk about that later. But so the first conflict point is trying to keep your delegates happy and do what you really believe in and when you become and con conflict with those two ideas, are you have to make a choice as to whether or not you to do what you really believe? Should be done for the city or what you think the delegates will like wipe your people who have helped me other than voting for me and endorsing convention than this last you see of them and they've probably vote for me in the general election, but in terms of going out and doing black working in that kind of thing or contributing money. No, they haven't helped but the party structure is such that they will vote for me on the first time around I was considered a liberal and now I'm no longer considered a liberal and he certainly not liberal. I disagree with that. I don't think I've changed myself at all in the ER. I just think the party has changed any event. That's the first set of scars. So when you choose to do what you really believe in and that's in conflict with a good number of delegates. Then you have a problem getting endorsed. And so therefore you have tougher races and I was not endorsement last time. 4 bunch of reasons No, it wouldn't be fair to say that was the only reason. So you have that problem. The other problem is that you're the way the depressed portrays. What is done down here? Is that you? Prince's we've had cases where we're passing very very important things in the city council level and Rebecca Rand. Who is it kind of a notorious son operator would have a hearing or something up before the council all the electronic medium protector and I speaking of come to the meeting and all the cameras go on all the lights go out when Rebecca trans deal comes up and will soon as it's over off. They go and later in that meeting. We probably pass at 20 million dollar housing program for poor people or do a whole street Paving project or whatever the case may be, but they have no interest for that song the public perception of what you're doing down here is a job is not an accurate one. And so after a while people get upset with you and I think all your work on as a dome stadium really work on this young the boy Clare Dalton on the river or something and it's really not like that at all. It's just that's what the Press chooses to focus in on. So you do get those phone calls at home people say that they know they're going to get you and I've had people come to my house and you don't rattle the door and want to shoot me. I've had people write epithets on my wife's car and thought it was my car and all I can tell you which after a while that you become hardened to that. You can't let that bother you have to keep a sense of humor in and realize that those things are really funnier than they are serious. So if you can keep that in perspective it isn't that bad. If you were to point to one or two things that were perhaps the most important things that you were involved in as an alderman for the City of Minneapolis for the past eight years, what would those things be or what would that thing be in terms of something that you feel proud of that that you were responsible for at least in part had a hand in? Weller several things that I am going to cut a cheat on you a little bit and not quite answer your question right away. I think the most important thing that I did as an alderman was Bolt the way I really believed in my first term on a tough issue. It was called the dome stadium in 1972 or 73. I can't remember which year no, but the chance we had a public hearing at the Minneapolis Auditorium and I believed in my own mind that it was the right thing for the city to do to go ahead and build a dome stadium. That would have been done with General obligation bonds at that time. And a large number of people maybe a thousand to thousand people were yelling and screaming at us at the Minneapolis auditorium at the public hearing and when I voted for that I felt in my own mind that I was doing the right thing, but I also felt that I just ended my political career. I thought for sure there was no way I could ever win election and see what I did then as I went on and I work very hard in my next campaign explain to people why I voted the way I did and I learned the ultimate lesson was that you do have a responsibility first of all, but you can vote your conscience and vote for what you believe in if you believe in a strong enough you could go out and tell people why you did it and they'll accept you because you're an honest person and they may disagree with you because of the way you avoided but they'll vote for you because they believe that you're not as person that you do what you really believe in. That was the most important thing that happens. If you need half years I wasn't on the council and the more directly Answer your question about specific projects. I feel how large my responsibility for the success of Loring Park development district and for the downtown stadium city center project, which is when we just broke down for yesterday, which would be a new 300 million dollar in effect Shopping Center in downtown Minneapolis you what kind of like us out the other door on North Dale or whatever and those are things in you on the Downtown Development Area then things out in the neighborhood that I'm proud of his we have a community in my ward call Lynn Park which has brand new house is called suburbs in the city and we've got the cul-de-sacs and cut off streets and brand new homes people on waiting list trying to get in we have going into the third phase will have a 4 days after I leave and it's really truly up. I think a remarkable thing to have happened in the Inner City. That along with we had a shopping center in my ward that was boarded up and I put together a program where we put tcyc a job training center together with U-Haul company and the U-Haul people bought the center and least all part of it to tcyc and I now we've helped PCYC remodel that building and secure training center for the community and the building is no longer boarded up and it's things like that that I worked on Plymouth Avenue shopping center, even though it's small is a major accomplishment the game thing done when I was elected. The street was a bunch of burned-out old buildings from the Riots of 67 and 68. So those buildings are all gone. Now. I only have a pretty nice area. We got some vacant land there yet, but I'm real proud of what Plymouth Avenue looks like in in the number. One thing that I think I worked on was the whole housing program that the City of Minneapolis has which gives loans and grants to people. Within the inner city and I started that program back in 1972 conceptually wanted the legislature and got a pass cost at him in the office and the two of us will work hard on that program Sunset and we feel we have probably the finest housing programs are going in the city of of any city in the country. What kind of relationship do you think that mayor-elect on Frasier will have with the city council when he takes office compared to say the relationship that the council has without Haas dead now or that it had with the mayor's like Charleston few years ago. Well, my impression of Don Fraser is that he has a great propensity to get along with people. So I think too that the net result of that will be that he will ensure the fact that he'll get along with the new Council. Need to compare to Halsted and this console is so difficult because pops and I have been friends for a long time before either of us got elected. So we have a personal relationship as well as professionally relationship. And I think that's helped this console in the new mayor hofstede. Excuse me get along. I think it's also helped in implementing some of the New Trier Provisions with stenvig. The relationship was almost non-existent in in the sense that it was a day-to-day relationship. I happen to have a good relationship ship was sent because I never Tried to mislead him or use him and he didn't with me either but I went down to see him and said no Charlie. We don't really agree on a lot of issues. But you're the mayor on present the council. Let's at least start out on the basis of trust. If I disappoint you come and see me first and let's talk it through or you do the same to me and I'll come and see you and talk it out rather than no running around and the debating things in the Press was the worst thing to do to get things done. Yes, and we didn't have really any problems. But and we had honest disagreements and we just kind of went our own way as a result of that but I think Frasier is really wants to do a good job my impression. He's working so hard and is trying to relate to the new console as far as I know. He's met with all the new members and all the members of the council including the new people. And he's talking to me a lot and trying to get some counseling what has been happening what I think should be doing that. That he would do what I tell him to do what just he wants my perspective at least which is very nice of him to take the time to even ask me. So I think his biggest problem is going to be understand the role of the mayor in the city as it relates to the council into the charger and it's hard for anyone to understand that role, but the simplest way to explain it. Is that the budget director that works for the mayor in the plains Rector that works for the mayor and the mayor all three of their salaries could be set at $1 by nine members of the city council. And so therein lies the key to Minneapolis city government me that sounds ridiculous. But the but the actual point in fact is from illegal or mechanical point of view. The city council has the power to do that. And if the mayor didn't like there wouldn't be one thing you could do about it other than video of it would 9 volts would be overridden. So obviously the political pressure if you did something like that would be tremendous not to do it. Anyway, everyone the council look foolish, but the point is a mechanical mechanism is there Note actually run the city with the city council. So once the mayor understands that and uses his office to work with the council and convinced council member to do what he wants me to do rather than trying to push him into it. I think they'll have a good relationship and I and I suspect Frasier Wonder stand that pretty quickly. So this is a city that is run by the city council primarily in not by the mayor. Willis run mechanically by the city council. It can be run by the mayor as well. It depends in the matter of fact, I think Fraser has an opportunity to be probably the most powerful me or the city's ever had. Well because of the new counts or the the new lead of the lack of continuing leadership from this Council to the next one. The present Council leaving I'm leaving and he's coming in as a new mayor and so they'll develop their own new relationships and they're going to need a lot of help both of them. And I think that that's going to create an opportunity along with the new budget office in the planning office that I have been implemented by Hoschton for the last two years. I could drop ski and buy a room done a super job for Hoschton and I think he'll do a great job for a Fraser. I think he's smart to keep them and they in fact I understand the system now after 2 years, they really understand it very well. And the other reason is Tommy Thompson's not here. We have new coordinator at least a relatively new coordinator. So rolls have been kind of Shifting within the snoo charter change and new coordinator and I will have a new mayor and a new council president. So it's a whole I guess it's the newness that creates had opportunity. If you had if you had one wish that you would pass on to the new Council as it takes office and takes over City business next year. What would that be? Will my wish would be that the new Council would vote would it really believes in and not full to the to the Winds of in the passions of a few who come yelling and screaming down the city hall. I think we're in an era. So dangerous time. Would you see it on the national scene as well as at the state level and now on the city council Evelyn what's right is what the people say is, right and the people quotes is very hard to figure out who the people are in the trouble is that too many times. I think Council people vote not exactly how they really believe it ought to be but they both that way because they're afraid they're going to lose her endorsement or they're afraid they're going to lose her election their number one purpose here. I think I ought to be to vote for the things they believe in rather than voting to make sure they can get reelected not that would be my wish for any public body for that matter.